EP.46: How to Pivot from Trauma to Triumph: A Healing Journey with Ozzin Jun

Show Notes

Healing and success may seem like parallel paths, but what if you could merge them into a transformative journey? 

What if your personal healing was, in fact, the key to unlocking your entrepreneurial spirit and business growth?

Ozzin Jun joins me for an insightful conversation, guiding us towards a deeper understanding of how personal development, self-worth, and healing integrate seamlessly with entrepreneurship. 

Rather than seeing healing as a separate part of her journey, Ozzin embraces it as the foundation of her success, teaching us that our inner struggles and personal healing can become driving forces for personal and professional triumph.

Ozzin and I dive into the world of healing and entrepreneurship, explore the essence of self-worth, and underscore the importance of authenticity. Together, we're consciously crafting  empowered narratives, transforming adversity into success and making a conscious decision to heal and thrive. 

Here are the highlights from this episode:

02:25 - The importance of a holistic approach in navigating your business

15:12 - The story behind Ozzin’s life challenges

22:56 - How Ozzin created her own path to self-healing

29:15 - Understanding the concept of marrying yourself

36:55 - The difference between the Korean culture and Western culture

44:01 - Ozzin's journey from struggles to success

51:25 - Why hyperfocusing on your mission is important

About Our Guest

Ozzin Jun, the founder of Jun International Coaching and Your Universal Way, has empowered individuals to heal and unite the world through various means, including awakening spirituality, trauma healing, world-class leadership, and transforming education and healthcare.

From a humble beginning as a financially challenged student and university dropout, Ozzin has risen to become an international business luminary. Her mission is clear: to assist entrepreneurs in transforming their passions into world-class 6-7-figure coaching businesses.

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TRANSCRIPT

[00:00:00] Ozzin: It's not the traumas that make you stronger. It's the choice that you daily make to heal that makes you stronger. You were strong before your traumas and all of that. That's what I want people to realise when they actually marry themselves. Because once you do that on a deeper level, it means you marry the world. And then you cannot hate, but only love people. And when you reach that level, you can really do anything.

[00:00:30] Melissa: Hey there, welcome to the Fearlessly Curious podcast. Your safe space to listen, lean in, and learn the diversity of human experiences through the lens of fearless curiosity. When we learn more about each other. We also learn more about ourselves how, because when we listen to each other's curiosities and experiences, we relate to that, which is in common and that which sets us apart, gives us something to reflect on. We learn through and with each other. I'm grateful to you, the global community for your curious questions. The Fearlessly Curious podcast cannot exist without you.

[00:01:17] Melissa: Welcome back. Welcome back to the Fearlessly Curious podcast and today I have an incredible, incredible human being, woman, super dynamic, extremely successful, making big waves around the globe, bringing people together, bringing consciousness and awareness to businesses, to coaches, to entrepreneurs and founders around the world.

[00:01:41] Melissa: And through at least my lens of perception. Ozzin is a very young woman who, despite her years of presence on this earth, has literally generations of wisdom that she's bringing forth. So I'm feeling very privileged and extremely honoured to have you, Ozzin, on the Fearless and Curious podcast. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

[00:02:04] Melissa: Now, typically people are asked, what do you do? But I'm not going to do that. I want to ask you, why do you do what you do? Over to you, Ozzin. 

[00:02:14] Ozzin: Wow. Thank you so much for this warm welcome. And I'm so excited to be here on the podcast, Melissa. And yeah, I love your question. Why do you do? I never had someone asking me that from the get go.

[00:02:25] Ozzin: So I mean, I do quite a few things. My main business again is the whole consulting where I help people. But again, back to the why for me, it's about empowering healings and unifying the world. I really think even though I consoled a lot of people in business and of course also in their personal journey to align their purpose, I feel that at the core that healings in our self is kind of the foundation that is the cornerstone for everything else that is built upon, whether for the purpose our calling and also unifying.

[00:02:59] Ozzin: I think it's really about bringing people together and the deeper why of that. Again, goes to healing and then why healing because I feel it's like a place where peace prevails where you have more happiness, joy, and looking at where the world sometimes is going. I think that's really important. So I think that's roughly summarised the why.

[00:03:19] Melissa: Okay, so it's, from what I understand, it's why you do what you do is focusing on the healing aspect, in a way it's leaning into what potentially blocks us from our success, the areas in our lives that maybe we're avoiding or where there's been some level of trauma or difficulty or struggle. And so, wow, it seems to me that you go straight for the Achilles heel, so to speak, because for many people, they're afraid of healing, right, because they see that as having to reveal what their weakness is.

[00:03:48] Melissa: Would you be open to sharing a little bit of your process with that with the clients that you work with? Like how do you open that door in a way that makes them feel safe? 

[00:03:57] Ozzin: Yes. So I like that because on Instagram people know me for a business mentor in the space. So I'm not like positioning myself like specifically as a healer or therapist or anything in that direction.

[00:04:10] Ozzin: But it's just funny that everything goes kind of back to the healing, even though I do business mentoring. So when someone comes up and says, I want to make like 10k months, I want to make my six figures and so on. So like everyone is interested in making that money. But if I would sell them, here's the leadership program.

[00:04:27] Ozzin: Here's the mindset program. Here's the trauma release program. There are people who do that, but majority just like once, you know, their cash, the business mentoring, I need the strategy. So I, sometimes I do sell them, I listen and I hear their vision. That's for me really understand, like very important to understand where they're going and where they at.

[00:04:46] Ozzin: especially with the visions. I'm a big fan of that to stretch the goals like for long term in years ahead. And then once I know that and I qualify them, it's a good match with me. I get them on board. And then again, on the kickoff call, we do many things, but I would say the whole healing part, it happens during our mentorships, especially in the close, like proximity.

[00:05:07] Ozzin: When I work with people that they have like struggles, like there are people not taking action or another client example I can take is I won't mention name, but he was someone who was struggling a lot with self love and also his mom did. And that had an impact that he couldn't make the money. However, in the beginning, I didn't know that.

[00:05:27] Ozzin: So he had all the same strategy that me and my clients use to make six figure months and more. He did the same, but I felt he was energetically not in the place and the way he was speaking. So a lot of these things were not a match. And then when I asked him deeper questions, how does it feel to do this?

[00:05:45] Ozzin: Why did you do this specifically in that situation? And when I feel something is holding back, and then I go deeper and deeper, and then we came to the core, which is, I don't feel enough. I don't feel love. And then also his trauma was his mom. So that was an amazing client because then actually I worked with his mom and with him together, which was really funny.

[00:06:06] Ozzin: But then once that resolved and he kind of realised deeper healings from also his childhood and also from his mom, it was incredible because he started to make more money. That was for him a breaking point of big momentum. So that's like one example. And then we have like a lot of people like when they are performing really high, like that's another sort of trauma.

[00:06:27] Ozzin: So I don't. Focus on or sell people specifically. I'm going to release your trauma. I'm also neither a full expert in that. However, I just realised I became really good in going very deep with people. So again, I'm not like advising people. That's the way, but it was the right questions. I realised in hand with business.

[00:06:46] Ozzin: Yeah, we cannot exclude that. And it's same thing with life coaching. A good business mentor cannot exclude life coaching completely. Like I do have my focus on what I sell, what I deliver, but to really deliver well, I need to consider the other spectrums as well. And that's what I do. 

[00:07:04] Melissa: Oh, that sounds incredible.

[00:07:05] Melissa: Fully comprehensive. And yes, I love that you brought clarity to that because yeah, you position yourself very much as a business mentor and coach and consultant. And I do, I mean, not just you, but we do see this on all the social media platforms, whether it's LinkedIn, whether it's Instagram, whether it's Facebook, even on YouTube, everybody's pushing, looking for a 10,000 month looking for a six figure monthly income.

[00:07:28] Melissa: And it's a big push on the finance and. To be honest, very few people talk about the danger of hyper focusing on just the money. I, for one, can claim to that because I had a six figure month in November 2022, worked super hard for it, was very proud of it. And then I honestly, in the months that followed, I crashed and burned in burnout.

[00:07:50] Melissa: And the truth is nobody talks to people about that. Nobody brings awareness around that. And it sounds to me that. You as a business mentor and a coach, you bring a very holistic approach to your clients, which I feel is very important. So folks, those of you listening, I want to highlight this already right now, right?

[00:08:09] Melissa: If you're looking to create great wealth, financial wealth for yourself, for your family, for your community, and to leave behind as your legacy, then. One of the most important things you need to take care of before the finance is actually your health because there's no point having a full bank account if you haven't got the health to enjoy it, to distribute it.

[00:08:29] Melissa: So, you did say that you're not necessarily trained for trauma, but it sounds to me like you're trauma informed. And I loved what you touched upon there earlier about getting to the root cause of why someone might not be earning money. Especially since. you're providing the wisdom, you're providing the systems from what I see, right?

[00:08:47] Melissa: All the expertise, all the sort of practical steps and yet people are still not making the money comes down to what someone's mindset is or sense of worthiness is. Where would you say that your wisdom comes with dealing with such struggles of your clients? 

[00:09:06] Ozzin: Wow, I think it's a mix of like my own traumas that I had in the past.

[00:09:12] Ozzin: Of course, they're different than the traumas that my clients face. But I think if we apply certain contextual frameworks that has worked for me, I also can understand through this. deeper pain or sufferings people better through deeper empathy levels, but also through different guidelines. And I always say it's important that people evolve their own framework in life because again, what has worked for me doesn't mean it works for them, but giving people a spectrum of perspectives.

[00:09:40] Ozzin: And then letting them lead themselves and, you know, letting them the power to choose what works. I think that's kind of the thing is that I feel has worked for me and that I want to provide for others as well. And where my wisdom come from, I think a lot of the wisdom, it comes from experience. It comes from like going through that.

[00:09:57] Ozzin: And the other part, I always say like, there's a funny thing I always used to tell my mom when I was younger is I always feel I have a source connection to a library. That is infinite of all the knowledge and sometimes people always assume that I read a lot of books and for me that was funny because I do love books and there was definitely a period of my time where I read a bit more books, but then there was a time I actually stopped and I didn't read many books anymore.

[00:10:25] Ozzin: And whenever I do courses or programs, people are like, apart from mentors, you read so many books. I'm like, no. And I think for me, it's much more dangerous to actually read books and have false knowledge. So that's why I think unlearning things is much more important. That's why I'm very picky with what I absorb and what books I read.

[00:10:44] Ozzin: And I feel, I don't want to be too religious, but I grew up Christian and I'm very connected to God. So. For me, connecting to that allowed me to have that wisdom as well. Um, so I cannot quite explain like how that goes, but that's kind of the source for me. And then of course, the experiences and the third point that would say the wisdom comes from observation.

[00:11:06] Ozzin: And of course, like yourself, like. being a host, you know, of hearing people's story, whether it's through a podcast and things, but being just a good listener and a good observer in life general, a good reader in life. I think that gives a lot of wisdom as well as the ability to receive and give back. So yeah, I think it's a spectrum.

[00:11:24] Melissa: Wow. That's incredible. Giving people a spectrum of. perspective. I love the way that you express that. And these three points that you touched on, the first one being that reading books and having knowledge, but knowledge that you can apply is key. And yes, I mean, we can just consume and consume and consume books and have knowledge

[00:11:44] Melissa: But unless you can connect with your deeper knowing, which I interpret, and this is my interpretation, Ozzin, and by the way, this is a Fearlessly Curious podcast. You get to own whatever your perspectives are, because that's why we're here, to learn through each other. Thank you for honouring your religious belief, which is being a Christian, and I believe that when we have any level of faith, whatever that faith is.

[00:12:07] Melissa: Right? In a way, it's a blind faith. And when we have blind faith, we trust, we have this implicit trust in a deep knowing that lives within us. And you referred to source. So whatever this doesn't matter whether you're Christian, you're Muslim, you're Jewish, you're Hindu, you're whatever it is, when you have a faith, your knowing lies before and beyond anything that is tangible.

[00:12:32] Melissa: It lies beyond anything that can be proven in a way. And that is such a great power for any leader to have and to hold and to carry forward. So having, combining the faith, combining the knowledge from reading books, and then giving the space for that knowledge to integrate and then pass that onto your tribe, your community.

[00:12:53] Melissa: Is extremely powerful. I can see why you are as successful as you are and that you have the results for your clients and with your clients as an incredible. I'd like to go in a little bit deeper on sort of the adversities that you have had to, I don't want to say overcome, but navigate in your life and the wisdom that you've harvested from these adversities.

[00:13:19] Melissa: that you now bring forward into the work that you do because I know that you've mentioned some to me and I was wondering if you'd be open to sharing a little bit more on this podcast for our listeners. 

[00:13:27] Ozzin: Yeah, sure. So before I answer that, I just want to add on to the other point in terms of like religion.

[00:13:33] Ozzin: Like for me, I was a sensitive topic to speak that because I always never liked like how all the religions are so separated and yet we understand there's a history around that so my overall religion is rather than just say this is it this is just how I grew up but for me it's really love as corny it sounds it's like 

[00:13:53] Melissa: it's not corny it's not corny at all.

[00:13:55] Ozzin: And I really realised all those things we assume is corny is actually just thing that matters the most, most of time in life. So that's what I think. And also like another point that I feel is really important and just flowing to me is back to the finances. We see a lot in the space that people want their hundred K a month, 20 K and we sell them.

[00:14:15] Ozzin: And there are definitely points, you know, like a lot of people, it's okay when people want that money. And I really encourage them. However, I do make people reflect on because not everyone needs that amount of money for their lifestyle they want. So I realised there are people they're making like 15k a month or there are people making seven, eight k a month and they're so happy they're living in Bali somewhere.

[00:14:37] Ozzin: Their expenses are even not that high. So I think it's It's really important that you know, if there's a space or a trend that everything is normalised on that, and if people want to go high, I encourage that strongly and I stretch them, make sure I hold them to that standard, but not everyone wants to do that.

[00:14:53] Ozzin: So I don't push that if there is no need to. Like if there's no desire. So that's kind of what I want to say for the listeners. Uh, reflect on what is important to you, reflect the lifestyle that you want and how much you think is the point that makes you happy. And then you can grow anytime more. So that's kind of another thing too.

[00:15:12] Ozzin: But back to the adversities in my life, I think when I I started my whole entrepreneurial past that was the first time like by the age of 18, but I was still back then in school, I dropped out. I was their freelance artist. So there was a lot of dynamics. And now I'm a business manager since two years.

[00:15:32] Ozzin: But when we go a little bit back, there's been a lot of hard times as well. So one of the hard times was actually only two years ago. That was back then when I was still in debt of 60 K. And back then I had to take another loan to actually being able to invest into a mentor. And that was very scary because my family is like not rich.

[00:15:53] Ozzin: We don't have like extra cash. And I literally had to scratch the things I had to get her asked my mom for some of the last money, which was very risky, but I did it because the cost of not moving was more expensive. So the financial pressure was incredible. And also seeing always my Korean family working really hard for money, trading their time.

[00:16:13] Ozzin: So there was a lot of pressure, not being able to pay bills and so on back then. And that also affects you mentally. Like when you financially struggle, we sometimes forget how that really impacts your health. You get more anxiety, panic attacks. You cry more. You try to move from a place of abundance.

[00:16:30] Ozzin: I know that very well, but it's really hard when you see the reality, of course. So that's the thing. And then after that, like, of course, when I was 15, 14, the parents, divorce, other terrible things that happened back then. Right. But another thing I think that was for me, the hardest adversity that I had to go through was in 2019.

[00:16:50] Ozzin: And that's something that I just recently shared this year publicly, which was when I was back then kidnapped and raped and I went missing. I was missing in school, like for three months. And the whole incident happens like three times on a row. And I was facing an abusive relationship and then it led me to being on a court for three years actually fighting with that guy about the justice and things that was horrible because I was physically I was damaged.

[00:17:20] Ozzin: I was mentally not good. I had so many consequences from eating disorder, anxiety, panic attacks, not being able to trust guys. and not believe in that anymore. So there was a lot of cries and I was really at that point, I couldn't open my jaw anymore. I couldn't get out of the bed anymore. And my eyes were hurting so much every day from crying so much.

[00:17:41] Ozzin: So that was the time I went through that was really dark. But at the same time, And there was a part in me that always like kept me going. I started to relate to certain people's pain. Like I never had the thought of suicide, but I could relate from where that comes from. So from that moment, I knew I had to get out.

[00:18:01] Ozzin: And what got me out was the love towards people and like the pain, because if I go through steady man's pain, and I know there are daily people who go through that every single day, like that was so unbearable to me and not acceptable. So I told myself I have to get up. And once I'm back, then I'm going to help other people on that as well.

[00:18:19] Ozzin: So really, after I came back from three months not being in school, and I missed out on so many exams because it was during my law studies and economic studies. And when I came back, all the people look at me very weird in the classroom, like what happened to that girl and rumours were going around the whole school because everyone did hear about me but didn't know what quite happened.

[00:18:40] Ozzin: I'm the school director, my mom. Everyone was involved in that case and they were asking me tons of questions and said, I need to go through therapy. I cannot continue school. So that thing made me like, yeah, it was a lot of shame, a lot of pressure, but I kept going and I asked the school director back then if I just can continue the school.

[00:19:00] Ozzin: I will do all the exams within like one, two weeks if it had to. And he said no. And my mom said no. My dad said no. And it felt quite bad because for me, career was always important. I had always my dreams even back then. But back then, it kind of all crashed down. So for me, I just like, I kept asking until the school director said, you can stay, you can try to do exams.

[00:19:27] Ozzin: It's like 30 exams you have to do in like a span of two weeks. And I've did it. And I actually graduated as one of the second best student in school. So that was for me a big thing and tells me if you want it, like you can make it. And I would say the rest of the story was the big part was the healings because this healing sometimes Like, even though it's now three years ago, it's kind of still fresh, but yet quite a while ago as well, and I am now, you know, literally, I'm moved in with my boyfriend, I've been in this relationship now for two years, and I never thought that because back then I was like, no guys and things, so.

[00:20:06] Ozzin: For me, this whole healing and also the patience that I'm grateful for my boyfriend, because it comes up again out of the blue, we can have a good time and then out of the blue have an anxiety attack. And I'm, and then I push him away. Sorry, I cannot be with you. I don't see that. And then the independent woman kicks in.

[00:20:22] Ozzin: And I see that as well with a lot of ambitious women, like we need to sustain ourselves. We can't trust guys. The guys can come and go, but we have to stand. And all that type of things, it went to one extreme. And I had to work so much on that to release my anxiety things, to do a lot of breath work, to express that the whole thing of not feeling good enough, the feeling of abandonment, which was for my real dad, which I don't know that happened.

[00:20:50] Ozzin: So there was multiple things. And I feel through that I emerged this adversity, like to get through that. The strong resilience, and if I have to summarise this one thing that always kept me going, I think it's really focusing on the love towards humanity on the people on my higher vision, and that is the thing that like pulls me more because for me, crying another six months and then doing nothing like it doesn't serve me.

[00:21:19] Ozzin: And I always ask this questions. Does that serve me? So when I cry and feel I don't like neglect this, I always feel it and I accept it fast, I forgive myself fast and then I go back on track because I know me crying another two days probably it wastes my energy. So let's cry today night if I really have to and the next morning let's get up and then get back and that's kind of the attitude I always evolved like to get up very fast and the way I can do that is because I accept very fast and I feel that very fast.

[00:21:51] Ozzin: I like embrace that fast. So yeah, that's a little bit of the backstory. 

[00:21:56] Melissa: My goodness. I want to just take a moment for our listeners and also for everybody who's watching the video podcast to just take that all in. That was an immense amount that you've been through, Ozzin. I just want to just recap that.

[00:22:09] Melissa: Slowly, you were kidnapped, you were sexually assaulted, you were out of action for three months, and I think even with my wildest imagination, I cannot imagine how that impacted you. But you mentioned, you know, depression, mentioned not being able to speak or move, and this ability, this resilience that you have to be able to sit with your emotions.

[00:22:30] Melissa: Honor. That's so important. More and more. We are learning in the world through amazing people like Gabor Maté. Well, first of all, understanding what trauma is and how important it is to recognise that trauma shows up very differently for each of us, for each person out there, but how important it is to find a way to process it.

[00:22:50] Melissa: And with God's grace, I will say that with God's grace, you navigated that. Did you actually receive help through therapy?

[00:22:56] Ozzin: Well, after the whole thing, as I mentioned, like everyone was encouraging me that because they were so much in the first place, very against that, because I always believed in the power of self healing, but I knew, okay, receiving like some help would not be bad, but I had really hard time to receive that.

[00:23:14] Ozzin: Until I decided, you know what, let's give it a shot. So I actually went the first time to a therapist, but it didn't end up well. I didn't really feel it was helping me. It actually made it worse to me in a sense. And I was personally not clicking well with my therapist. And then we changed. So I went to someone else and there I've learned a bit more.

[00:23:34] Ozzin: So I've learned from her like techniques and things that would really help me. Um, that's something I can also teach now to others because I've applied that, but like, that's what I've helped. But I would say the majority of the healings, I really see, let's say that 20 percent is probably speaking to therapists, my friends and my family, but I would say 80 percent of the healing comes from the choice of me wanting to heal myself and my self, self healing.

[00:24:00] Ozzin: And I think it's a lot through faith. that as well. So for me, I'm a very creative person, and I love to play piano. I love to do music. I love to draw, paint, like do this, and I love to go to the nature. So for me, healing took place in a very creative way, and sometimes people think, oh, you need to go to therapy.

[00:24:21] Ozzin: You must go this, and that kind of like makes me aggressive because I said like it's good, but I almost get aggression if people say you must. You know, and then I start to defend and I did the work. I'm not a person who avoids that. So I confirm my realities, but I found my own way. And that's why I encourage other people like, you know, speaking it out won't hurt you.

[00:24:42] Ozzin: It's good, but you can choose the people you want to speak to. It's good to have someone professional as well. I do encourage that, but if you don't want to, or let's say you can combine that with your own way, whether you're a person, you like sports, you love music, you love whatever, like. Combine it with that way.

[00:24:58] Ozzin: And when you focus on the future, I'm on the better path. Like that's something that really like pulled me out of the dark, like automatically and very effortlessly as well. So it's also, but that's kind of the things that have really helped me. 

[00:25:12] Melissa: That's incredible. I'm very grateful that you highlight that everybody is different, but you're also encouraging people to get to know themselves because we are all different.

[00:25:20] Melissa: Some people will benefit more from having support of therapists, counsellors and coaches, coaches as well. These days, many coaches are trauma informed, and so that brings a different kind of energy to the support, but also tapping into the knowing, the inner knowing that we all have, which is the self healing.

[00:25:39] Melissa: Going out to nature like you mentioned and like play, you know, that creative spirit, like tapping into that creative spirit and doing all the things that in a way, when we were kids, we were told not to do. Stop playing so much. Play the piano, but you have to do exams. But how about just picking up an instrument and just expressing however it is you're feeling in that moment.

[00:25:58] Melissa: So, and I know that's how we connected. We first connected on LinkedIn. We talked so much about music and creativity. And I know that's why also you're very inspired to bring more creativity and music into the many things that you're doing. I'm curious, do you know anything about human design, Ozzin? 

[00:26:14] Ozzin: Yes, I do.

[00:26:15] Ozzin: I actually had an insight a bit about my own human design. 

[00:26:19] Melissa: Are you a manifester by any chance?

[00:26:19] Ozzin: I'm a generator, according to human design. 

[00:26:24] Melissa: You're a generator. Are you a manifesting generator or a pure generator, do you know? Oh, okay. Because I was tickled, and for those of you who are only listening, you need to go watch the video podcast.

[00:26:35] Melissa: Then you can see Ozzin and my cheeky expressions. I noticed that when she mentioned she didn't like being told what to do. That, under the human design lens, is quite typical of a manifesto, a manifesting generator. So when you have a moment, go and check, and then let me know another time. Manifestos are pretty much, in the human design lens at least, are like fierce leaders, you know, they're very radical and extremely pioneering.

[00:26:59] Melissa: And through my eyes, That's how I see you, as in I see you as like a trailblazer with a massive vision that's going to do stuff and lead the way in a direction that hasn't been created yet. You are so incredibly generous and you definitely serve from the heart. You transformed your pain into purpose.

[00:27:20] Melissa: That's really what I heard when you shared about your adversity. So right now, what is on the horizon for you? 

[00:27:29] Ozzin: Well, thank you so much, first of all, for all the words, and I want to give that back as well. And I think it's so beautiful that our paths crossed. And I really believe that we are all creators through face through the universe, whatever people want to call that.

[00:27:43] Ozzin: But I think we're all meant to create and being this artist as well. I'm actually working on my book. So that's for me, and it's called Marry Yourself. And it really talks about All my healings and all those things, but specifically for the people out there, even like in the business space that builds a foundation, because, as I mentioned, I really realised in my journey and I see that with other people, the more you actually own yourself, the more money you make, the better relationship you have.

[00:28:11] Ozzin: And also the better you heal yourself and the better you treat your body as a temple. And I always used to have this quote of your network is your net worth. And then I change it to your network is about building your relationships and your ability to determine set. And now I change it to your network is yourself worth or your self worth is your net worth.

[00:28:33] Ozzin: And that's like the core of the things like to take inventory of your gifts and things. 

[00:28:38] Melissa: I want to take that in. I want everybody to take that into your self worth is your net worth or net worth. I want to hear you say it because it's got to come from the vibration of your voice. 

[00:28:52] Ozzin: Sure, your self worth is your net worth and probably exceeds your net worth.

[00:28:58] Ozzin: If you have a great network and you are good with people, I think it exceeds that amount. But what my message is, it comes down to your self worthiness. And I think it's easy to say that because you hear from people, you have to own yourself. You have to just go and take the inventory. Like you hear that.

[00:29:15] Ozzin: And again, here on the podcast, you hear that, but what that means for me, I translate into a different language. And it was about the concept of marry yourself. And it's not just in a way of, you know, there are people and there are words out there of that could sound agnostic. What do you mean? Marry yourself?

[00:29:31] Ozzin: Should I marry myself? How does that work? And I always say, it doesn't matter if you're a guy, if you're a women, if you think it's selfish or not selfish, the point is the same. Even as a guy, for example, like if you want a better body, if you want to attract your dream women. You also do the work of marry yourself.

[00:29:48] Ozzin: You know, you can call it whatever you want. You can also call it peanuts and butter, but the person, the thing is, it's not about the words. It's about the context. You work on yourself and for women as well, the healing, you know, it's not the traumas that you make you stronger. It's the choice that you daily make to heal that makes you stronger.

[00:30:10] Ozzin: So you were strong before your traumas and all of that. That's what I want people to realise when they actually marry themselves. Because once you do that on the deeper level, it means you marry the world, you marry your neighbours, and, and then you cannot hate, but only love to people. And when you reach that level, like, I don't know anything because you're unstoppable.

[00:30:34] Ozzin: Because you lead with love and love always wins. 

[00:30:37] Melissa: I love that concept of marry yourself. It definitely resonates with me through the first song release I had in 10 years and it's called The One. We live in a world where we're taught to be so hyper focused on the external world. We're taught to constantly look for validation.

[00:30:53] Melissa: First of all, we're told. Look for the one to complete you. Find a relationship and find that person. Oh, people refer to my other half, which by default suggests that if you're looking for that person to complete you or you say you introduce your husband or wife or partners, oh, my other half, that means without them, you're only half.

[00:31:13] Melissa: Without them, you're incomplete. I mean, how awful, really, right, Ozzin? So what you're saying is come to realise that you're whole and complete within yourself first. Marry yourself first. Then you go out in the world full of love, recognizing, self validating this abundance of love you already are. And then you send that energy, that frequency out so that you then attract love as well.

[00:31:41] Melissa: You give it in order to receive it, or you receive it and you give it. It's like this infinite relationship between the two. And when I wrote the one, it says, I wrote it for that very similar reason, which is as a reminder that It goes like this, you are the one, the light of the universe. You bring hope when there's none.

[00:31:58] Melissa: And basically it's like, you are the answers to your questions. You are the solution to your problems. You are the healing for your own wound. And I can understand why you were like, no, no, no, I don't want to see any therapists. I want to do this myself. I want to do this myself. Right? Earlier on, you're like, I don't like being told what to do.

[00:32:15] Melissa: And it's finding the balance, and that's recognizing only you can walk your path, only you can do, and in air quotes, the work. It doesn't mean that we can't look and receive support from therapists, from counsellors, from mentors and coaches. Like you, but I know you don't do the work for your clients, you're there to accompany them, right?

[00:32:41] Melissa: You're there to remind them of their gift, of their unique frequency, and for them to get curious of how they can live the fullest potential of who they are. 

[00:32:53] Ozzin: So in terms of like what you mentioned, I don't do the work for my clients, but they do themselves. I think that is very important, especially in the coaching and consulting industry, but or any space, because I see a lot of coaches, they kind of like they do this babying with their clients.

[00:33:09] Ozzin: And also marketing is like attracting babies.

[00:33:15] Ozzin: And that was a big eye opener because it's like when a coach says their marketing. Did you fail with your last coach and it didn't work out? I'm here for you 24/7 chat and support come to me. We guarantee this and this. And then, you know, but the language is like, really like baby, you know, baby, who hurt you don't cry.

[00:33:34] Ozzin: Mommy will, be here for you, come to us in Jun auntie and I will, you know, walk with you the past. So it sounds really like that. And I really realised like, of course, every business has a different model and offer. The language it matters so much because I wanted to work with self led leaders with visionaries and I realised that was for me the most powerful thing because It's like the choice of power is still on your side the work is still on your side and if a mentor or a coach is training or setting me up of You know, like kind of spoiling me in a way of like they do the work for me and I cannot make choices That's the thing and I need to ask i've learned to ask better questions.

[00:34:14] Ozzin: I learned to ask With better context, I've learned to let myself because it's very different to work with self led leaders and action takers versus people. They are very like. I know they give you a lot of headache and they're like really big. They need you at all points. So it's also the stages for entrepreneurship.

[00:34:31] Ozzin: Are they just starting out already making certain amounts? Are they longer in the space? I don't say an aspiring entrepreneur is like not like self led because there are also new people who are pretty self led, but again, it's the tonality. And I think, again, it comes down to good leadership. in life in general, but also in business as well.

[00:34:51] Ozzin: That matters so much. And then the type of people, you know, you want to work to be conscious about the words as well.

[00:34:57] Melissa: I appreciate you mentioning that. Tonality is everything. Messaging is one thing and tonality is the other. I will, however, say that I'm a big proponent of encouraging and propagating. more of a feminine, and when I say feminine, I don't mean womancentric.

[00:35:14] Melissa: I mean feminine in terms of energy. So a nurturing approach to business, because I do believe that hustle culture, it's passe, like that does not work anymore. And especially after the whole world pandemic that we've gone through the issue of mental health and emotional wellness is finally getting the attention it deserves.

[00:35:32] Melissa: Having said that in the corporate world, it's still very much about ticking boxes, but we cannot function as silos anymore. We cannot function, whether it's in corporations, whether you're a founder in business, even within our communities, being afraid to speak our truth and most importantly, being afraid to ask for support.

[00:35:49] Melissa: So I totally get what you mean by not propagating this kind of, let me come and rescue you. So it's kind of like saving, you know, the poor victim on the coach, you're going to come and be your hero and save you. On the other hand, it's important to find that balance where we can let people in our community know that when they need to support, they can ask for help, that I am going to be there for you, for you to ask for support, not for me to do it for you.

[00:36:16] Melissa: Maybe do it with you, maybe guide you, maybe accompany you, maybe cheer you, maybe support you in that way, nurture you. I do feel that that's a very important new balance that the world needs, especially in business because of the mental health issue. But thank you for bringing light to that. I do want to ask you.

[00:36:33] Melissa: In this journey of yours, it's been powerful, it's been profound, it's been extreme, right? You've gone from extreme adversity, and also very young, you were still at school, you were in college, you were studying, all this was happening, right? Then you came out of school, you were in debt, you took huge risks to take a loan, and then you mentioned about.

[00:36:55] Melissa: Seeing your Korean family trade Time for Money, if you're open to it, I'd love for you to share a little bit more about your roots, like the culture and the roots that you came from, and how it's been navigating that as a modern, contemporary woman of a Korean culture origin, so to speak, and now making your way out in the world.

[00:37:16] Melissa: Could you share a little bit about that? And also who your greatest mentors are, like personal mentors are, that maybe you could give a shout out. 

[00:37:25] Ozzin: Okay, sure. Absolutely. So the first thing in terms of my roots. So for those who don't know, I was born in South Korea, but by the age of six, I moved to Switzerland and ever since grew up here.

[00:37:35] Ozzin: So that's kind of the context and background. Okay. But I've always been visiting like Korea for like vacations with family. So I saw that also, there was a part of my childhood where I grew up there. And I saw my grandmother working like she always had like her own restaurants and will shop in Korea, which was one of the best.

[00:37:54] Ozzin: She's really good in her town, one of the best chefs, but she worked incredibly hard and she did that like nonstop. Every time I see her, she's only sweating and working, sweating and working. And of course, grannies want the best for us. They want to give us a lot of foods when we come. But it's like. just the principle of she trading her time for money and that's her rest.

[00:38:16] Ozzin: And she also comes from a different generation. So my mom's generation, her generation is of course different. So they didn't have maybe the same ability like now with, you know, soon calls being an online coach and the circumstances. were different. The timing was different. So I need to consider that. But it hurt me sometimes when I see generally my uncle, auntie, everyone working so hard for that and then surviving.

[00:38:40] Ozzin: I'm then part of the family who was also in debt for other reasons and they couldn't get out of it. And then my mom, she's been all struggling a lot with her health. as well. And then years before where I almost lost her. So it was really hard on the health side of things. And at the same time, it was the pressure of, I need to work because I need to feed my daughters because I need to do that.

[00:39:02] Ozzin: And there was a lot of the survival mode and again, the work hostile culture to survive. And when I see this growing up, like when I was six, seven, I saw my mom crying a lot since we arrived in Switzerland. And back then as a child, I never understood why my mom cried. And as I grew up, I started to understand things better and grasp what is going on in the adult world, why my granny is sometimes, you know, working so hard and things.

[00:39:29] Ozzin: And that is when I realised I want to change that. So that's why actually after my apprenticeship at this young age, between 16, 17, 18, I took a lot of notes of that, of what I see, of what I feel about the world, what is the gap, what's the biggest world problem. So I was already interested in those things when I was.

[00:39:48] Ozzin: 14, 15. And I started to make a whole analysis about the world, starvation, climate change, mom. And I told myself when I was 14, one day I'm going to go to the United Nations and I'm going to meet the president and I'm going to provide them the solutions for these things and lead that on. So for me, that was already on board.

[00:40:08] Ozzin: And that's crazy because in 2022, I actually got invited from the United Nations. author that I was from when I was 14 years old to them. And the only update was me being a bit more adult, you know, like in terms of my thinking. So I had to update my sketches when I was 14 to where I'm at right now, 24.

[00:40:30] Ozzin: And I presented them and they're like, wow, this is exactly what the United Nations does in some of the organisations out there. And then I could speak that out. But again, from the whole roots, what I see is, especially the Korean culture and nation, there are so many hardworking people, generally in Asia, the pressure is high, high performance is high.

[00:40:49] Ozzin: People expect you to go to the best universities. That's why suicidal rate also in Japan is high and other countries. And. For me seeing it like that was not the past and I'm sure that for that reason I was probably planted in Switzerland. I think it's really a big luck because Switzerland is one of the freest countries in terms of democracy, politics and expressions.

[00:41:10] Ozzin: And I feel like me growing up with those both cultures, it affected my mentality. So I'm not quite. original Korean in terms of very traditional thinking of like, I must have the certification, the best university grades and like only like, you know, hard working, hard working and paper stuff. But Switzerland, European, Western is a lot of pragmatic styles.

[00:41:31] Ozzin: It's a lot of about experience. Western America, it's a lot free. The way you express in Switzerland, you get trained for debates in Switzerland. So it's very different. And me having the mix of both and navigating what's good in that culture, what's good in that culture, I can like pull out one thing a bit more in certain situations.

[00:41:51] Ozzin: So that helped. But again, when I go travelling to Korea, like last year, and I have conversations with people who are 20, 30 years old, like around my age or mom's age, Wow. It's very exhausting. It drains you a lot of energy because these people, they don't even know what coaching is. They don't know what mentorship is.

[00:42:08] Ozzin: They don't even get it that I'm 24 and running, you know, our business and doing those things. They consider me as a baby there, you know, and they don't get it and they don't take me seriously. My mom also used to tell me money is the root of all evils, like me sharing on social media about how much I make like for my mom.

[00:42:26] Ozzin: It's she's like, don't do this. It's dangerous. Don't do that. My friends already asked me, you know, your Daughter is very open, like it should be discredited, should be private. And then I had to brainwash my mom and my family. 

[00:42:41] Melissa: You had to retrain her. Yeah. Yeah. You coach them. I love it. You coach them. 

[00:42:45] Ozzin: So I trained my own mom, many hours, literally four and a half hours, like.

[00:42:50] Ozzin: labouring her full, asking her questions, mom, disbelief. And now she's different. Now she's like, yes, we need to make a lot of money. I'll say, yes, we'll be in abundance. And she changed that. And because she changed, she's changing her mom as well. So it's like me being a coach, I feel like it had an effect on that.

[00:43:11] Melissa: So healing, I think that that was a intergenerational healing. That's what you're doing. Right, healing the line before you. How incredible, Ozzin. Your mom and your grandma must be so incredibly proud of you. 

[00:43:23] Ozzin: Yes, they are. 

[00:43:23] Melissa: Yeah. I mean, even in the short time that I've known you and I've only, I mean, I've known you online, you know, we met through LinkedIn and we got on a call and it's definitely been over a year and I've probably seen you three or four times online.

[00:43:36] Melissa: I can safely say you look different from when I first met you online. You look brighter. I think when I first met you, even though things were good, when I compare it, you might've been maybe really working hard to make your business successful. Now I see you smile more and joke more. I don't know. Is, are things very different from maybe 18 months ago?

[00:43:58] Melissa: How has life changed for you in the last 18 months?

[00:44:01] Ozzin:  Oh my god, it changed everything, literally everything. Like, I don't know like where to start because 18 months ago, I was literally like, I was back then because I tried other businesses as well before coaching. That's why the debts, by the way, there are some of the debts with scams, some of the debts, like to businesses that I didn't work out.

[00:44:19] Ozzin: So for me, like going from almost zero or still surviving to making my first six figures. And then most importantly, because when I made them a six figures, I actually dropped. And that's the thing many people go through you hit your six figures and then you drop to zero or whatever It's because you're not setting it because it's like scale set scale set and most people scale And then down scale and then down and it's because the foundation systems are on blade and I had to learn this in a very hard way So for me, that has changed to know, yes, you can go with speed and you can come with quality, but also there needs to be a fine balance where you need to set these things in sustainably.

[00:44:58] Ozzin: So like doing that and solving that issue, that made me a lot happier. Definitely. Another thing is. And that's something very important. I want to share even back then when I was saying like I don't have the money. I would call myself. I'm broke. I'm broke, but I felt there was never a point where it was like truly broke because even in the time.

[00:45:17] Ozzin: So I didn't have money. It's really funny. People always. thought and make a lot of money, they perceive me as she's always, you know, like happy, bright. And that was even the time when I had like 60 cents on my bank account, I couldn't even afford a coffee. And I went down with my friends, I was like, shit, I cannot even pay my coffee.

[00:45:34] Ozzin: And the friend said, I'm going to invite you. I was like, Scott, you invited me, but it was really the pressure, like going to restaurants and looking at the meals, like, shit, I cannot afford that. And the pressure. But at the same time, it's a beautiful place at the same time to be. And that's what I want to say for people who are financially up there.

[00:45:52] Ozzin: It's like, yes, there's a certain confrontation. If you want to change it to accept it, to be aware of that, but also it really allows you to be closer to faith. It draws you back towards the core of life, the little things like when you go out and drink and sip your coffee or you're with your loved ones and you realise even when you make your six, seven figures, that thing doesn't change.

[00:46:12] Ozzin: So for me, it's still the same things, spending with my boyfriend time, going to my family and then having a good barbecue or going out for a walk. Like that bliss in that moment is still the same. So that's why I feel like happiness wise, that has been always there for me, this light. But of course, if we looked at these things, how they really changed, like me taking care better of myself, my health, it took really a long time.

[00:46:37] Ozzin: And sometimes I still struggle because it's a process, but I improved a lot. More money because self worthiness healing. Me finishing all this court stuff and this bullshit from a piece of relationship. That was a big one me two years ago. I didn't even have my boyfriend. So that was also a funny thing. I was still in the mindset of no boyfriend.

[00:46:57] Ozzin: No problem. Get all the guys out there. It was like, I was like. focus on money and your career like boyfriend or career like easy career and then I literally met him this guy out of the blue that was really funny and it was like love at first sight and then from there on everything evolved like we met on the first day we fell in love on the first day and then we were together on the first day and that's how things happen and that comes from a girl who had actually lost the faith in that type of things after what had been through.

[00:47:27] Ozzin: And that's why, yeah, relationship, it's like a mirror, it reflects all your insecurities and things, which it did to me, so there was a lot of cries behind the scenes in this 18 months, in my relationship life, in my healings especially, not because this guy is not good, but because he encouraged me to heal, and I've never received a true love.

[00:47:47] Ozzin: You don't know what true love is until you experience that. And many people in abusive relationship, they perceive the thing as true love, which is not true love. So you need to know what is not in order to know what it is, you know, that is good. So that's the thing that happened. And of course, that's probably the reason why I even bloom up more.

[00:48:06] Ozzin: So I feel like the flower has always been there. I've been always like happy and things even during that hard time and cheering people on people couldn't tell quite, but It takes it to different levels because now I can give more back as well and yeah, and also the expressions come out because I've been always an introvert.

[00:48:24] Ozzin: I've been always shy when I was 14. I didn't feel confident in speaking and then really took me only like three, four or five years later down the road. And now. I love public speaking. I'm like speaking on stages, doing hosting my podcasts, doing these things. I feel like that's part has been repressed in me.

[00:48:42] Ozzin: The part of that serious business mentor that has been repressed. Now I'm just like, bold, edgy, funny. I don't care. It's like, who is you? It's like, kick it or leave it. With guys as well. Take it or leave it. This is my standard. This is what I want. And so on. So I'm like this. And for some reason when I do that, people love me more.

[00:49:02] Ozzin: And that's kind of what this is like kind of the controversial thing. It always happens when you kind of just do your things like people come. It's the same with guys. like when you're so focused on your career and your freaking passions it's like every guy comes there and wants to knock there so it's like just focus on your mission and your passion what makes you happy and when you radiate the sun it's like everyone wants to get that sun or the sunlight 

[00:49:25] Melissa: you are a force my goodness folks take a breath take a breath because i feel like this episode has been so incredibly powerful because Ozzin's presence whether you're simply listening whether you're on the video podcasts is palpable.

[00:49:40] Melissa: You have such incredible wisdom to offer, but more importantly, the inspiration that you give people by being you. And now that you're sharing more of your journey as well, because you said you weren't ready for a while, understandably, because you've walked such deep adversity, that's just going to take everything to a whole different level.

[00:50:03] Melissa: So, Thank you. Thank you for sharing your journey. Thank you for all the services that you provide as a business mentor, as a life coach, as a consultant, as a speaker, and just as a friend to so many people I know, right, to everything that you do for your family. what you mentioned right there about how people have a perception of you.

[00:50:23] Melissa: I just wanted to share this little anecdote. I had something similar very recently, just yesterday, my mom was telling me how someone had said that we're talking about me and saying, Oh, Melissa's always travelling and always on holiday. And I just thought that's so funny because what I've done is I've built a life that allows me to travel.

[00:50:41] Melissa: But because I've built a life that allows me to travel, it means that when I'm travelling, I'm also working, right? You and I, we don't work nine to five jobs where we can be like, okay, I'm taking four weeks off. No work. Oh, maybe you do. I don't know. But I, I don't, I built a life where I want to be able to get on a plane when I can or get on a bus or get on a train or on a boat anytime I want.

[00:51:02] Melissa: I'm not like, I'm not anchored because of my work. But what it does mean is that when I do travel, I have to work when I travel. But. The perception is interesting and that's why, as you mentioned, it is so important to hyper focus on your own life purpose, your own mission. Whether you call that career, whether you call that your business, whether you call that your project or your dream, you need to focus on your mission because you're going to be distracted by what other people think, what other people's interpretations, other people's opinions.

[00:51:33] Melissa: But like Ozzin, folks listening, She knows what she wants. She knows what she needs. And so do you. Everybody listening, you actually know when you quiet in the noise of other people's opinions and centre within yourself and then find if that's what you need, the right counsellor or the right coach, whether it's business, whether it's life, whether it's a community, whether it's a mentor and still think hyper focused on your mission, that success is inevitable for you.

[00:52:02] Melissa: as is proven by Ozzin in such a short space of time. So, I mean, is the world ready for you, Ozzin? I don't know. I don't know if they're ready for you. Born ready. 

[00:52:13] Ozzin:  Born ready. Born ready. I think that this word ready, I think it's so funny because there's a lot of things I felt in my life. I was always at the edge of doing something and we all know that when you feel like you're not quite ready but kind of ready.

[00:52:25] Ozzin: It's like you want to but kind of. You hold back. Yeah. And that's why I have my life motto around jumping at the deep end, which for me has worked always so well and has actually transformed my life. So every time I felt scary to speak in front of people, I knew the thing I had to do is to speak in front of people.

[00:52:43] Ozzin: So whenever I was in a situation like that in classroom, and that was very scared, you know, back then the teacher told me Ozzin never speaks. That was always a conversation between my parents and my teachers. She never speaks, she never asks questions. Um, can she talk? And now I'm the biggest talker, you know?

[00:53:01] Ozzin: And that's why in such a situation I always like raise my hands. And the same thing with business, it feels kind of scary, but I feel like it's a thing that calls me, so I just jump. And then when you dive into that ocean, you go to the great unknown and it gets dark, it gets scary, you don't know in the ocean what's in there, but when you swim, you actually discover the ocean is so beautiful there, um, you see a lot of other creatures and fishes who are like minded with you, who support the journey with you, and when you go even slightly deeper, and then you go back up, you see big light, you see enlightenment in the ocean, and I think that's the great thing that expands there as well.

[00:53:35] Ozzin: To and another thing that I also want to thank my journey to is, of course, my mom, you know, my parents, like, I cannot, like, exclude that because I wouldn't honestly be here without her. There were times where I also had, of course, like disagreements because sometimes entrepreneurship is tough. Parents are, you know, not against it, but they worry about you.

[00:53:54] Ozzin: Friends are worrying about you. There's a lot of negativity and I always had to defend myself, defend my ideas, defend my wish and protect that. That's why I'm like freaking stubborn on that part. But at the same time, it was really necessary to receive the help of my mom. And it was really hard to receive, for example, certain amounts of money from my mom asking for things when you feel like you're, you know, like they're not in the position either.

[00:54:19] Ozzin: However, because of that, I wanted to ask because my mom was not in a position, we needed to change. So to do that, I was like, instead of, you know, investing into stock and bonds, mom investing to us in Jun, I'm your greatest asset. I'm going to make. That's it. And also another thing for the people who don't have such parents because that's also not for everyone unfortunately the case.

[00:54:41] Ozzin: I also want to tell them the thing like everything that you feel like you need a lot of things you can also give it to yourself. I had a big trauma around I need confirmation from my mom of how good I was when I made my first 10k. I wanted to hear from my mom. The dog really did such a well job. And a lot of in Asian countries, it's like very underdog.

[00:55:00] Ozzin: You're like, Oh, you have a, you know, A grade, like you're really good. Ah, okay. And so on. Like, it's normal. You made 10k. Oh, cool. Can you close the door, please? 

[00:55:11] Melissa: Go and cut me the onion in the kitchen. Yes. Well done on your 10k. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:55:15] Ozzin: Yeah. It's like, and then it's like, you're like, woo. And you want to share the news and then you go to mom and mom is like, not interested.

[00:55:22] Ozzin: And Mom, I did this and this. She's like, Oh, cool. That was, I was interested in billboards. Oh, really? Okay. Oh, okay. You know, and, and this like, it hurts. And that's why I was saying deep down. I know she's really proud, especially like a lot of Asian people, they brag about their children as well. However, all of the things I've learned to always like give the thing I'm seeking for to myself.

[00:55:45] Ozzin: If I want to get congratulated, I congratulate myself. I know I did a great job. You did your 10k, I started my podcast and that changed my life, honestly. And to be around that fishes or these people. Who also congratulate you, you know, you always have this friend circle. This two, three people in your life are very hype.

[00:56:02] Ozzin: They're like, Whoa, and they over celebrate you. And that's the type of people I feel like is really good for you. And also the people who expect you to be your best version. Now, not like people are saying, Whoa, one day, Melissa, you will be this one day. Melissa, I'm going to make that amount of money. But how many people do we have around your surrounding that expects from you this now?

[00:56:23] Ozzin: Also, I expect from you, you're a millionaire now. Not because like, you know, it's like an unhealthy entitlement, but it's like I see that in you, you know, like it's now. And I think having such people who give you that borrowed belief is the powerful gift in giving the power belief to others, but especially the power belief in the name of presence, not the power belief, like in one years or two years, it's like you're healthy now.

[00:56:48] Ozzin: And I see that house version in you right now. I acknowledge the fact. So. That type of thing helped me a lot. And I want to honour all the people, friends, family, parents, all my past on this throughout that journey. 

[00:56:59] Melissa: Incredible borrowed belief. It's so important for us to really look at who is in our inner circle.

[00:57:06] Melissa: Jim Rohn said, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. So make sure you've got that person who's your greatest cheerleader. Make sure you've got that person who's going to have, going to represent that borrowed belief where they say, Hey, listen, I expect that from you now, not tomorrow, right now, because I see it in you right now.

[00:57:20] Melissa: You want to have somebody who is your count. Partner who's gonna call you out lovingly, no doubt, but call you out when you are less than when you, what you can be. Who's also gonna call you out when you are over pushing? Who's gonna call you out to say, Hey, you need to take that break. You need to give yourself what you are giving others.

[00:57:39] Melissa: 'cause that's another thing. People who are very passionate and who are passion and purpose driven have a tendency to over give. I know you've been there too, Oz. Right? And it's so important for someone, for us to have someone who says, Hey, wait a minute. It's great what you're doing, but like you said, are you giving any of this to yourself?

[00:57:57] Melissa: You got to give some because you can't pour from an empty cup. So follow Ozzin, save this episode, get a notebook, write down all this wisdom she's giving, get her on Instagram, on LinkedIn, get her on her podcast. Can you just share with everybody the name of your podcast, Ozzin?

[00:58:14] Ozzin: Sure. So my podcast name is inspiration science.

[00:58:18] Ozzin: It's on behalf of my Instagram account called pure universal way, which is also my media company. So when you want access to that, just go my personal profile on Instagram and you will find the links. And if not, you can just directly type in on Apple podcast, Spotify, inspiration science, or just type in my name, Ozzin Jun, and you will see the things listed.

[00:58:38] Ozzin: And I talk there really all things. the holistic success, which is the health area, the relationship area, the business. And we do specifically focus on the mental health journey, the purpose part in things. But I do include also business because many people, they connect or purpose their business. And again, holistic.

[00:58:56] Ozzin: That's why you see a whole spectrum of me bringing artists. Also, Melissa was on there, had an incredible conversation. So you can tune in to listen to our conversation as well. And yeah, and hit me up also, if you have an incredible story to share to the world. because I'm also open to always receive new guests on my show to interview them as well.

[00:59:14] Melissa: Amazing. Amazing. Ozzin, it's been an absolute pleasure. So final question, if you were a song, what song would you be? You share yours and then I'll share mine. 

[00:59:24] Ozzin: lYes, wow,  et me think there because there are some songs. I love your melody and other song. I love the lyrics more. There is one. I think from Sia.

[00:59:31] Ozzin: It's like this courage to change.

[00:59:32] Melissa: Okay, Sia. Courage to change. 

[00:59:38] Ozzin: That's the thing. 

[00:59:39] Melissa: Okay, folks, go listen to that. We can help Sia with her royalties, that's fine. Mine is for today, because normally daily it changes, but for today, and actually it's been pretty consistent since 2016, I feel like my key theme song of my life is Adventure of a Lifetime by Coldplay.

[00:59:56] Melissa: Yeah. So, Ozzin, thank you again. It's always so much fun talking to you. It really, really is. I'm, I'm truly, truly inspired by you and I really admire your wisdom and your resilience and your drive and passion. I personally am very, very inspired by you. So, I look forward to. more playful collaborations in the future.

[01:00:19] Melissa: We talked about that offline, which I won't talk about now. And I wish you the every success because I know when you're successful, you have an entire community with you who is successful. So thank you again, Ozzin.

[01:00:32] Ozzin: Thank you as well, Melissa. For me, it's been also a pleasure. It's always fun to speak to you and I love our bond.

[01:00:39] Ozzin: I think it's also what drew us together in terms of creativity, funny, the whole humour in life and the adventure. You know, I feel like it's a lot of woo, you know, this mood of woo, like I want to jump. It's like this type of mood. Wow, there is something grounded in us that goes a bit deeper than woohoo, you know, the superficial of laughter.

[01:00:59] Ozzin: And I like the contrast of that. So also, thank you so much. And for all the listeners, keep going. And if you don't have yet the belief of someone, then give it to yourself. And then still attract this type of people who support you on that. I think that is really important that you're not alone. 

[01:01:15] Melissa: All right. Thank you. And to our listeners, remember what you need to do until next week. Stay fearlessly curious.

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