EP.29 - How My Mum Proves It's Never Too Late to Embrace Change
SHOW NOTES:
Join me and my mum in this uplifting conversation as we defy age-related expectations and embrace new experiences at any stage of life.
Together, we explore my mum's inspiring journey of overcoming fears and reigniting passions as an octogenarian.
We discuss the importance of a positive mindset and its role in facing life's challenges.
This heartwarming and candid discussion encourages listeners of all ages to challenge ageing stereotypes and pursue new interests, regardless of their age.
Celebrate the limitless potential of life with us, proving that age is just a number and it's never too late to rewrite the rules of ageing.
Here are the key takeaways from this episode:
02:27 - Mum shares a story of how she did something new on her own at the age of 80.
08:34 - Courage is what we fill our hearts with when we step into an experience that is the unknown.
09:35 - Know your limitations so you know what kind of support you can ask for.
10:59 - There’s no age limit to saying yes and experiencing big moments.
18:09 - You need to be forgiving of yourself first.
19:50 - It’s never too late to heal.
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TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Pat: Nothing is impossible. At whatever age, you are never too old to learn or do something you really want to. If you put your heart and soul to it, you can do it. So I'm still gonna say to everyone, encourage everyone. It's never too late to do what you want to do, what you've loved all your life to do, but never got a chance to do it. Do it now. Go for it. It's very rewarding for yourself, most of all.
[00:00:34] Melissa: Hey there. Welcome to the Fearlessly Curious Podcast, your safe space. Listen, lean in and learn the diversity of human experiences through the lens of fearless curiosity. When we learn more about each other, we also learn more about ourselves. How? Because when we listen to each other's curiosities and experiences, we relate to that which is in common, and that which sets us apart, gives us something to reflect on. We learn through and with each other. I'm grateful to you, the global community, for your curious questions. The Fearlessly Curious Podcast cannot exist without you.
[00:01:21] Melissa: Hi everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Fearlessly Curious Podcast with me, your host, Melissa Indot. And today once again, because I wanna honour the month of me as being Mother's Day month around the world. Although I know there's some territories that celebrate Mother's Day in a different month, for me, Mother's Day is always the month of May.
[00:01:41] Melissa: So I have my mom as a guest for the whole month of May. And today she's going to enlighten us on this topic of you're never too old, and it's never too late. So, mom, welcome to the the affirm, the Fearlessly Curious Podcast again. How are you feeling today?
[00:01:59] Pat: Oh, I'm good. Very good.
[00:02:00] Melissa: And how does this topic title land for you? What are the sort of memories that come up for you?
[00:02:05] Melissa: This whole idea that we're too old to start anything to start anything new or that we're too late to do something new?
[00:02:14] Pat: Yes. I always had the notion that one is too old and now, I mean, I'm already in my eighties and I think that's really quite old. But I started thinking even in my seventies, maybe it's too late to start anything.
[00:02:27] Pat: But anyway, my daughter, being a life coach, she runs retreats and she did a few in Bali, in different parts of the world and she had one in Ibiza, she had for like mother and daughter and she really wanted me to attend. But I was in London then and she was already in Ibiza and she said, mom, you just get a ticket.
[00:02:53] Pat: I'll – somebody take you to the airport. I'll meet you at the other end. I said, no way. I'm not gonna fly on my own. I've never flown on my own to a country that does not speak English. And in Ibiza they spoke Spanish and I don't speak Spanish.
[00:03:06] Melissa: So wait a minute, mom, I'm just gonna ask, so you have never travelled on your own.
[00:03:12] Pat: I have travelled on my own, like from Kuala Lumpur Malaysia to London from point A to point B and to an English speaking country. And London is almost like my second home. I know everything, all the roads and but to a strange place in Europe. I've never done that at my age, in my seventies, she said, no, you can do it.
[00:03:32] Pat: You can do it. So I talked to myself. Oh. Okay, I'll give it a try. I trust that she'll be at the point when I arrive. I’ll be there waiting for you, don't worry. So I did take the plunge and my very close friend drove me to the airport, saw me almost waving me goodbye until I walked to the plane and I took that flight, which wasn't very long.
[00:03:56] Pat: Thank goodness. Of course, at the other end, I was happy to see her face as I got off the plane. Anyway, I did attend this mother and daughter retreat. I found it very interesting because I've never attended a retreat before. I had no idea what to expect, so it wasn't too late, so I started. In my seventies, I attended a retreat.
[00:04:19] Melissa: Guess what, mom? You were 80. It was the year that you turned 80. It was 2018.
[00:04:26] Pat: Oh really? Wow. So it was, yeah, quite something. I was quite proud that I did it. I enjoyed that retreat and learned something from it. And I met a lot of other mothers and daughters and so how we had different relationships. It was interesting.
[00:04:41] Melissa: I'd love to learn a little bit more. What were the thoughts and fears that ran through your mind and your emotions when you thought about travelling on your own? What were your fears?
[00:04:53] Pat: Quite a few, because I'm at this stage of my life, my hearing is not good. In fact, I'm using hearing aids to help and hearing aids, sometimes I can't hear what the, the announcements in the airport when they make announcements about flights. So I'm afraid I might miss out on those announcements. That's one. And my eyesight is not perfect either. And of course, I'm not as strong as before. I can't help myself to luggage when I arrive at this place, you know, to take it from the carousell.
[00:05:26] Pat: I need little bit of help here and there. And I like company when I'm travelling. I don't like to be on my own because it means I have to take my luggage when I need to go to the washroom as well. All these are quite cumbersome for me. My memory is not all that great. I might leave a document here or there, you know, my wallet or passport, things like that. So it's a lot of things going through my mind. So I was really a bit worried.
[00:05:52] Melissa: And how did you overcome those fears in the end?
[00:05:56] Pat: With encouragement, I guess, and confidence that my daughter had in me. So you can do it. You can do it. So I said, okay, I'll give it a go and see how, and it went pretty well.
[00:06:08] Melissa: That's fantastic to hear mum.
[00:06:09] Melissa: I'm so glad that you did that. I mean, I was very excited. I'll never forget the moment that you came through on the other side and I was at the airport. I, in fact, I'm gonna dig a video out and I'm gonna see if I can attach it to the video podcast for the video podcast is watching. And for those of you listening to the audio, if you wanna see the video of that moment when my mom walked out the arrivals, and the look and expression on her face of pride and joy.
[00:06:34] Pat: And relief.
[00:06:36] Melissa: And relief. Then I definitely encourage you to head on over to the video podcast, which will drop a couple of weeks after the audio podcast, but I promise you it's worth watching. So what did happen, mom, in those moments when you were travelling on your own and you felt that you needed that support? What did you learn from that experience?
[00:06:54] Pat: I learned that if I really want to do something, I can. But I just still lack that confidence. Nevertheless, if I don't have to do it, I won't. Why do I need to suffer this anxiety? It's not good for me. I won't do it if I don't need to.
[00:07:11] Melissa: Yeah, but did you need to? That's what I'm saying. You are saying that I won't do it if I don't need to, but you still did it. Was it a need that you were fulfilling?
[00:07:17] Pat: There wasn't a need, but in a way, I said just to prove to myself that I can do it if I really put my head to it. Nothing is impossible at whatever age.
[00:07:28] Melissa: And therefore you're not too old, are you trying something new? And it doesn't have to be a need, per se. It's a choice. I believe that you made a choice, even though I had confidence in you, it still comes down to you to make the decision and the choice to take that action.
[00:07:46] Pat: I guess you are never too old to learn or do something you really want to. You put your heart and soul to it. You can do it.
[00:07:55] Melissa: Well, would you say it's like flexing, building muscle building strength? Right. The more that you allow yourself to think, oh, it's too, I'm too old now to do it. It's not so much about pushing yourself, but allowing yourself to have that experience. I like to frame it that way. I also don't believe that we ought to push ourselves too hard. We need to know what our boundaries are. We need to feel safe with something, but it doesn't mean that we have to cut ourselves off from having a new experience. And mom, I know people talk about feeling fear and do it anyway, and people think that, oh, I don't have the courage.
[00:08:28] Melissa: But courage isn't about having the strength to get to the end of an experience. Courage is what we fill our hearts with when we step into an experience that is the unknown. It takes courage to even consider it, to be honest, even to have the idea already requires courage, and I believe that's half the battle won.
[00:08:49] Melissa: If you can process the idea of doing something, you are already embodying a level of courage. What are your thoughts around that?
[00:08:58] Pat: Maybe that is, yeah, but still nevertheless, One has to know one's limitations, especially when I'm getting older and every year I can find a year older is a little bit more problem.
[00:09:13] Pat: If you are 20, we go to 25. 25 to 30 is nothing. Those are really your prime years. But after, from 75 onwards every year, I feel myself, I have less energy and yeah, I have my limitations and I have to admit that I don’t try to be a hero at this age.
[00:09:35] Melissa: I hear what you're saying about knowing what your limitations are as you're getting older, but having clarity on what your limits are allows you to know what you can ask for support for.
[00:09:45] Melissa: So if you have harder of hearing, you need hearing support aid, you need visual support, you need mobility support. You know, that's what your limits are. Not because it's telling you I can't do it anymore, but that you know what you need to take care of. You have to ask for assistance request because if you wanna fly, most travel routes have the accessibility support, right?
[00:10:08] Melissa: So knowing your limitations, don't let that stop you. It's just about getting clear on what kind of support you can ask for. I know that if I'm constantly focusing on what I can't do, right, then I won't end up doing anything. But if I focus on what I can't do, because it's giving me clarity on how I can be helped.
[00:10:29] Melissa: Still the same thing. I need to get clear on what I can't do, but not because it's stopping me from doing it, but it's because I need to find a way to gain the support so that I can do it. I think it is very important. And having people around you who are cheering you and encouraging you to do things.
[00:10:45] Pat: Yeah, that helps. Definitely does help a lot.
[00:10:49] Melissa: So what else, mom? I know there's other things that you have proven that it's never too old and you're never too.
[00:10:59] Pat: Oh, there's this big moment in my life. I think it was when I was like maybe 82. My daughter comes to me and says, you know what? What do you call a scouting agent?
[00:11:10] Pat: They came to me and because they saw a video of you and me singing on some, uh, Melissa posted it in one of her Facebook or live shows. And this scouting agent heard me singing with her and said, Melissa, why don't you ask your mom to come and audition for a voiceover in a Disney movie? Because I think she has the right voice to be a grandmother.
[00:11:37] Pat: So she came to me and she asked me, I said, what are you joking? Going for an audition at 82? No way. I don't want to. I've done all my singing days, my audition days, they're all over. She said, oh mom, come on. Let's just do it for the fun of it, because I mean, it is something big. It's a Disney movie. And of course when we told it to the rest of the family, my son, my daughter, my grandchildren, they, oh, come on mama.
[00:12:05] Pat: Go for it. Go for it. So again, with a lot of friendly persuasions, I went and jumped on it. We went for this, uh, audition and I, first time I went to a recording studio and how they, you know, to see how they do it. They put the movie out and they, I mean, they record your voice and then they put the movie out and try and dub put your voice into that character.
[00:12:29] Pat: It was most interesting, I must say. It was an experience. And my grandson was actually there to help me because he's quite good in all his recording. So between him and my daughter, they came to the studio. And they did help me. So it was another experience of a lifetime at the age of 82. So it's never too late.
[00:12:51] Pat: Quite, uh, rewarding, I must say. And, uh, yeah, I was happy I did it.
[00:12:55] Melissa: I'm so glad that happened. I remember that too. This is kudos to you though, mom, because. For the listeners out there who don't know, I normally are coming up to Christmas. I'll do a lot of lives on Instagram with mom singing carols and just sharing with everybody the love of music that we share together.
[00:13:13] Melissa: And it was literally through that. And someone, a talent scout, spotted mom and invited her in for this audition. We won't say the name of the animation, the movie, but maybe. Those of you might be able to guess. And it's about a 12 year old boy who happens to find himself in the land of the dead and the whole story around that.
[00:13:34] Melissa: And yeah, mom was selected to play the role of the grandmother. And what didn't experience that was. I suppose, mom, I know that you were always dreamed of having a career, a life in music, and I know that you love theatre and musical theatre, so in a way, you actually got to do that, right to that experience.
[00:13:51] Pat: I do very much. I've always loved the theatre. I've loved singing, performing. I've done some of it. Well, when I was at, uh, college, in the UK acting, I've done quite a few singing shows when I was young. Also with my husband, my late husband, and with his brothers, we used to have a live sing to a band we perform in a town hall in Kuala Lumpur.
[00:14:15] Pat: It was, yeah, we always wanted that. And of course, My youngest daughter is living my dreams. Living a life that I would've loved to have, but I settled to be a teacher and was great too.
[00:14:28] Melissa: And you're still having these pockets of these experiences that are tapping into the dreams that you wanted to live, which is back again to the whole concept that it's never too late and you're never too old.
[00:14:40] Melissa: I think when we hold that mindset, that belief, oh, I'm too old, right? Or that is too late, then we actually become blindsided. We blindside ourselves to the opportunity to do the things that we wanna do, to experience things that fill us with joy, right? They become blockers, don't you think so mum?
[00:15:01] Pat: Yes. Yes. And recently too, I've also spent a lot of my time tinkling on the piano, on the keys, cuz I love to just play and amuse myself.
[00:15:12] Pat: Especially during the pandemic. Nothing very much to do. Exercise your fingers. So I've been like, I play a lot of, uh, modern songs just by hearing it. So I love this Chinese song that the moon belongs to your heart, to you or heart. Or the scene represents Bahá, the Moon represents Bahá, and I love my friends, not even Chinese, I mean Malay friends and other races.
[00:15:39] Pat: They love this song. So I decided for this new year, I'll just play this song on the piano. I recorded myself, just, I learned how to do it. Put that my phone next to a piano, and I recorded and I decided to send this as a new year message to all my Chinese friends. And they were all shocked. Wow. We didn't know you could play the piano like that.
[00:16:05] Pat: So I was quite proud. Just play the whole song, yeah, without mistakes. So I did that again, I mean, just this year. So I'm still doing something new to prove that it's never too late. Hopefully every year I do something, which is still not too late to start.
[00:16:22] Melissa: I love that mom, because at the end of the day, you don't know unless you try, right?
[00:16:26] Melissa: And it's like when people say, oh, it's too late. Right? Too late. According to who? Who tells you it's too late? Who says that you're passed yourself by date? And who can tell you you're too old. I mean, the truth is really for context, right? You're too old to do a public performance, but then you've just proven me wrong because I then posted that on my Instagram and got a huge amount of views.
[00:16:54] Melissa: So that in and of itself was a public performance, right? The world is changing so fast. When we set, like these limits, there's stories we tell ourself. We tell ourselves our body cells, you know, literally the way you talk to yourself is the reality that you create. Right. I know also that with the audition that you did, and even when I was encouraging you to sing with me on Instagram and sing live with me because of your loss of hearing, right.
[00:17:22] Melissa: You did feel for a while that you couldn't sing anymore, right, mom?
[00:17:25] Pat: Because I was afraid that I might not hit the note. I may just waver a bit because my hearing is not perfect.
[00:17:33] Melissa: And you know what, mom? If you do waver a bit, what's wrong with that?
[00:17:38] Pat: Well, yeah, I guess people will forgive me because I'm not professional. And your voice, you do lose breath as you grow older and your voice too changes a bit. So I'm still gonna say to everyone, encourage everyone, it's never too late to do what you want to do. What you've loved all your life to do, but never got a chance to do it. Do it now. Go for it. It's very rewarding for yourself, most of all.
[00:18:09] Melissa: Thank you for those words of encouragement, mum. You said there just now, I asked you if your voice or the note that you sing waivers. What's wrong with that? I asked you and you said, Yes I guess people will be forgiving. And it made me think. You need to be forgiving with yourself first, right? Because at the end of the day, who's your biggest critic?
[00:18:28] Pat: Yourself, of course.
[00:18:30] Melissa: So if we can just get out of our own way, and luckily I have mom to remind me of that sometimes when I have my own imposter syndrome, as long as you are doing what fills you up, what brings you joy, that is actually what people see. They are not really looking for the perfection, right?
[00:18:45] Melissa: And those who are looking for the perfection, they're not your people anyway. You're not doing it for them. You're doing it, like you said, you recorded that message for your friends. You are spreading your own joy, really. That's what you're doing.
[00:18:58] Pat: Yeah, and I must say my friends, all those friends who have listened to me, they all encourage me and they're very proud of me and proud of what I can do at my age.
[00:19:08] Pat: In fact, I think I'm the oldest member of the groups of friends that I have. I am now the most senior. Most senior. Oh. Once upon a time I was the youngest in a group. Now I'm the oldest.
[00:19:23] Melissa: What a grand seat to be holding, mom. Before we round off this episode, I know that there's one particular challenge that you've had for the majority of your life that you overcame quite late on in your life too. And I think this is an important story to share in terms of the topic you are never too old and it's not too late, which is to heal a particular part of you. Do you know which one?
[00:19:50] Pat: Yeah, I guess you're talking about claustrophobia. I had great fears. Great fears of going into elevators. That's why for the longest time in my life, I never wanted to live in an apartment because I need to go into a lift or elevator, and I'm terrified of being in the elevator by myself and getting stuck and not being ready to get out. Even in London, or I go to hotels and go for holidays.
[00:20:19] Pat: I always have this fear. Either my husband or my family or somebody will be there and will go with me, and I will be holding my breath until I reach the floor, the required floor. So I dread to go in by myself and many a time on the ground floor waiting for a lift to come. And when the lift does come down and there are many people going into the lift at that time, I would not go in.
[00:20:41] Pat: Or if I go in first, I went in first. And other people, many people come in, I would choose to come out and wait for the next one. And I've done this so many times waiting for 10 minutes for a lift to come and not to be crowded, overcrowded. And it's not a thing that people understand. Some people don't understand, what's wrong with you?
[00:21:01] Pat: Everybody can go in. Come on, come on. One more. One more. I said no, and I'm sometimes quite a demand with people. I don't know. I say, excuse me, and then I will come out because they still wanna come in anyway. My daughter, as you know, she's a life coach and she had gifts sessions, yeah, that we can attend.
[00:21:18] Pat: And she said, oh mom, you know, I'm gonna have a three day session with whoever wants to sign up could come. And we're gonna talk about this subject using music to overcome things like claustrophobia and issues like that with people who have. Why don't you just come? So I said, mm, well, nothing to lose. I've never been again, so I did attend.
[00:21:41] Melissa: So I love that. Mom, I'm gonna pause you right there. You see, you’re never too old and it's never too late to experiment. Even with this daughter of yours who often is doing things that you don't understand, you have the openness and willingness to try new things. I appreciate you for that.
[00:21:54] Pat: And especially the saying, a prophet is never accepted in its own country. So I said, my daughter running, and I mean, she's my daughter. But anyway, so I said, okay. Anyway, I’ll go. Somehow you have like more confidence in a doctor from somewhere else or from an overseas doctor.
[00:22:10] Melissa: Yeah. I mean, what would I know, right? Yeah. What would I know?
[00:22:15] Pat: Yeah. How can she know better than me telling me what to do. But I still went and after three days going through all her music, intuitive music programming, I thought nothing of it. And I started to have less fear going into elevators. I couldn't even understand. So I mean, even now, now I've moved to an economy near them, and I live on the fourth floor. And when I go out sometime coming back late at night, my chauffeur, my driver, my friend, he'll take me up right to the apartment. Take me in the elevator because I don't want to be on my own. But now I can happily say goodnight to him. I said, thank you, Sugo. And I will just go into the lift 12 o'clock midnight on my own without thinking, giving me a second thought. Just go in and put my finger on this button. Hey, what's happening? I can do it, and I don't think about this anymore. What a great relief. So I'm grateful to my daughter, Melissa, for helping me get over this horrible, horrible fear.
[00:23:23] Melissa: Mom, that was only five years ago that you first experienced IMP, or I call it intuitive music programming. And in five years, not only have you moved through that phobia and it was, it was debilitating, right?
[00:23:36] Melissa: You'd break out in a cold sweat, you feel a kind of major anxiety. You'd feel like the walls were closing in on you.
[00:23:41] Pat: Yeah really. That you have shortness of breath. Tight in the chest and I almost, if anyone is standing at many people next to me, I feel like pushing them away and punching them. I don't like so many people in an enclosed place altogether.
[00:23:57] Melissa: And one of the first questions you'd always ask if you were going anywhere, especially to a hotel or a mall where it would be restaurant of wherever it was, you would always ask what floor is it on? Do we have to get in an elevator? Right?
[00:24:09] Pat: Sometimes I will climb. I will climb five, six flights and they think I'm crazy.
[00:24:15] Pat: I won't tell you once upon a time. I was a guest of my friend in a Grand Prix in Monaco many, many years ago. My friend happened to own an apartment on the like, I think 21st floor. And from there we overlooked the circuit of Monaco and the
[00:24:32] Melissa: The F1 Grand Prix circuit.
[00:24:33] Pat: Yeah. And the ending part of the race.
[00:24:36] Pat: So we were so excited to be invited there. And of course we went to this place and in France everything is small. The lift can take like four people and it's really tiny. And when you go in and you know, Europeans are quite tall and big and like we are almost filling up lift. Oh. I said no, I'm not going up into this lift 21 floors.
[00:24:57] Pat: So I told them, you go in, I'll walk up. Believe it or not, I walked up 21 flight of stairs to the top of this, my friend's apartment to watch the Grand Prix Monaco. I think it was there many, many moons ago. That was how scared I was to be in an enclosed space.
[00:25:19] Melissa: Not anymore. Now you have no issue with that?
[00:25:22] Pat: Not anymore. Now I just take a deep breath and say I'm gonna be all right.
[00:25:27] Melissa: And you're living proof of that cause you have now memories to recall of you doing it over and over again without experiencing any of that anxiety. You've kind of reprogrammed yourself, right? You've created these new memories and it was really interesting cause we did use music for this and what happened was, with particular guidance using this modality intuitive music programming, we were able to get mom out of her thinking mind, out of that core memory that was really written through trauma to source what the trauma was to access a subconscious mind.
[00:25:59] Melissa: And do you remember where that core memory, that core fear of being an enclosed space when it was created, do you remember?
[00:26:07] Pat: Yes, I do. Yes. Not nice thing to remember. Yeah. Don't want me to tell it, do you? You can tell it briefly. Yes.
[00:26:15] Melissa: Is that okay for me to share it with people?
[00:26:17] Pat: Yes. Yes.
[00:26:18] Melissa: Okay. It's just to give people a reference, right, of how this claustrophobia was created, written within your system.
[00:26:26] Melissa: What came up was that mom had this memory that came up during the war, World War II, and in Malaysia, Japanese occupation. And they would have raids, air raids, and there would be sirens, right, to alert for people to get into the bomb shelters. So she had a memory. This air raid and these alarms running and then everybody making their, dropping whatever they were doing to make their way underground into the bomb shelters.
[00:26:55] Melissa: And my grandfather, so my mother's father, grabbing her as a young child, picking her up, putting her on his shoulders and running. Running, running, running, and running into the bomb shelter. So that's underground. And the bomb shelter is a very enclosed space. It's very small. And has very low ceilings.
[00:27:11] Melissa: So you can imagine as a child, first of all, your nervous system is on high alert cause you can imagine how loud these sirens are. Right? And then the collective fear of people running for their lives into this dark enclosed space. And her like still being on his shoulders, so cramped up in this small space.
[00:27:32] Melissa: And once mom was able to share this memory, which she had never shared before, not at least in my whole life, and my sister was also in the workshop. We had never heard the story before. Something within her system basically recognized where the source of the fear was. And once it was recognized, she was able to process that memory in the present moment.
[00:27:52] Melissa: And rationalise it actually in many ways, right? You could then put a point of reference and say, talk to herself and say, this fear I'm feeling, it's real. But it's trapped in the past, and I'm no longer in danger in the present moment. I can rationalise this. Now, I'm in a lift, I'm feeling these things, but these feelings have been trapped from a moment in the past.
[00:28:15] Melissa: And even though I'm describing it, it was so much more than that. Right, mom? Cause it's not like you didn't mentally process it, you just shared the memory. You wanna continue.
[00:28:22] Pat: Yeah.I don't even like to think about it now, you know?
[00:28:26] Melissa: Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah. But what's important is to know that that memory no longer holds you. Traps you into having a constantly, a struggling experience. Every time you're on a lift.
[00:28:36] Pat: And now you know there's always help around and anything happen. If you're trapped with a lift or whatever.
[00:28:41] Melissa: You don't think that you're going to be trapped in the lift anymore.
[00:28:44] Pat: Yeah, not really. Unless when you're in a lift and the lift like moves a little bit. Yeah. And then you are worried a bit. Yeah. Not otherwise. Yeah.
[00:28:52] Melissa: Yeah. Well, mom, thank you so much for joining again today and sharing with us your experiences as an octogenarian. Grand 80 plus, Grand Dame. Thank you for joining us that and reminding us that it's never too late and you're never too old to have a new experience or even to do something that maybe you're used to doing, but discovering a new part of that experience. Like playing the piano, something you love doing, right?
[00:29:20] Melissa: But now when you play, you are discovering a new way to enjoy it. Yeah. Thank you.
[00:29:26] Pat: Yeah, I hope I've been able to encourage my friends. Never too late.
[00:29:31] Melissa: And maybe this is a good episode also for our listeners out there to share with their parents who might feel like they're too old and too late to do things right, because we can do things with our children and with our grandchildren. And mindset is so powerful.
[00:29:45] Melissa: The power of the mind. It's been so powerful for you, hasn't it? Mom? Okay. Thank you again for joining this week. Listeners, don't forget, stay fearlessly curious until the next time we meet. Thank you.
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